Sunday, September 18, 2011

Amen!

I agree with every word that Mr Friedman wrote for his latest column. Particularly when he says the following:

  • " ...the most diplomatically inept and strategically incompetent government in Israel’s history"
  • "I have great sympathy for Israel’s strategic dilemma and no illusions about its enemies. But Israel today is giving its friends — and President Obama’s one of them — nothing to defend it with."

7 comments:

Shtrudel said...

Amen?!... Mr Friedman would like to pretend that it's all down to the Israeli government. However, Abbas' positions are more hardline then Bibi's.

And the quip about Israel being unaccepted as a neighbor in the Middle East presupposes that there was such acceptance.

A quick look at the positions by the Jordanians and Egyptians, from the fundamentalists the "intelligencia" (academics, journalists etc) shows quite clearly that they have never accepted Israel as a neighbor.

Mr. Friedman lives in his own reality where his wishful thinking is fact and real facts (such as Palestinian intransigence, Arab hostility towards Jews and Israel) are ignored...

Bert said...

Which brings me to what I posted on Friday.

Both Thomas Friedman and I realize very well that the so-called leaders of the Palestinians, the Egyptians, etc etc are in many cases even worse than those of Israel, and that we are surrounded by hatred. Still, all that is not an excuse to do nothing, to keep on ignoring what our true friends (and there still are some of those suckers) say and think, and to keep on building in the occupied territories instead of strengthening Israel itself socio-economically, militarily, and so on and so on. But keep on dreaming, it is all their, not our own fault. Israel continues to do what it has been doing for almost forty years now, with a few exceptions: allow our worst enemies to dictate reality to us. All that we do is point at the bad points of the other side, blame that side, and react to whatever it surprises us with. It is about time - and that is what Mr Friedman basically says - for Israel to do what it used to be so good at: read the picture, think of what to do, and take the initiative, so that you have at least some control of the reality in which you meet your enemies.

Bert said...

I meant 'more than forty years'....

Shtrudel said...

Take the initiative how? By giving in to their demands?!... That's not taking the initiative, that's capitulation and it won't do any good either. In fact, it will further harden Palestinian intransigence.

There are some problems that can't be resolved unilaterally. You know as well as I do that even if Israel were to withdraw unilaterally to the 1967 lines the Palestinians and Arabs STILL wouldn't make peace with Israel...

In fact, even the peace agreements that do exist (Egypt & Jordan) are mere formalities between governments and they have no popular support among neither the Egyptian population nor the Jordanian population!

Abe Bird said...

Friedman is the last one to explain Israel or to teach her what she has to do for hers own strategic interests. He is too lefty, doesn't understand Arabs and Israelis (although he visited the ME many times) and use as a bill boy of Obama.

Bert said...

At least Friedman's English is more correct and understandable. And I would like to bet that he knows a thing or two more than you do about both the Arab/Muslim world and the Israelis. And I'd love to exchange thousands of so-called friends of Israel (like G.W. Bush and Dangerous Dick Cheney) for a few more friends and allies like Obama.

Bert said...

As far as I know Mr Friedman and his work, he doesn't call or consider himself to be a scholar, but a journalist. And I think he is a very good and experienced one, and one whose work is widely read, for good reasons. I have no idea what exactly you mean with 'that issue', but apparently you consider yourself as someone "who know more than something". Think whatever you feel comfortable with.